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Secret Squirrel has previously commented on divorces,on polygamy, and now Secret Squirrel turns his attention to marriages,marriages sans divorce,short marriages, very short ones, 4,5, or 7 year terms to be decided on,as decided on, and thence allow for renewal of said terms in agreement between the partners in these marriages.And so,in doing so, we will have much more stable relationships,and much more agreeable relationships, and solve the problems, of these messy things, that divorces are.Let us look now at stated proposals of marriage by term contract…………….firstly in and at…………

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article2500361.ece

The Times headline reads………..

How to cure seven-year itch? Limit marriage to seven years

“Marilyn Monroe would have approved. The Seven Year Itch, argues Germany’s most glamorous politician, could be cured by making marriage vows valid for only seven years, thus legislating away what is regarded as the most unstable phase of a relationship.The proposal to turn marriage into a kind of time-share arrangement has shocked Germany. It comes from Gabriele Pauli, who is running to become head of the Bavarian conservative Christian Social Union (CSU) party. …………..Her idea would apply only to civil marriages. Vows sworn on the altar, “till death us do part”, would not be amended. Civil marriages would be regarded as a limited seven-year contract. “After that initial period each partner would have to say ‘yes’ again in order to prolong the marriage,” she said. “If they do, there is no reason why marriage should not end up as a lifelong partnership, but in the meantime we will have saved the financial and emotional cost of many divorces.” …..Johann Reisel, head of Catholic marriage counselling in Bavaria, said: “It sounds to me like renewing a mobile phone contract,” he said. “This is just a random number; statistics show that marriages tend to last either three or four years, or significantly longer than seven years.” …………….Although conventional wisdom is that every third marriage in Germany ends in divorce, the reality is worse. By one calculation, 43 per cent of marriages in western Germany (including Bavaria) end in divorce. In 1970, only 15 per cent ended this way…..”

And yet more at on the same contractual marriage period contract at……..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482736/Limit-marriage-just-seven-years-urges-twice-divorced-politician-turned-dominatrix.html#ixzz16hH4XbvT

‘Limit marriage to just seven years’ urges twice-divorced politician turned dominatrix

“A seven-year limit should be placed on marriages to ‘avoid financial and emotional heartache’, according to a twice-divorced politician infamous for posing in dominatrix gear.According to Gabriele Pauli, a prominent member of Bavaria’s conservative party, marriages should only be extended after seven years if the couples agree.”The seven year itch often becomes a reality in modern marriages which frequently go through a period of crisis after this time,” said the
50-year-old.”A time limit would enable couples to save the divorce costs and avoid a great deal of heartache,” she added. “It’s time that politicians stopped regarding marriage as a super-intact institution and face the facts.”She argued that,
since a high proportion of marriages end in divorce and many people stay married only for fear of separation or for financial reasons………..”

Well let us consider.The actual divorce rate (the history of divorce is a long one. It has, as French philosopher Voltaire put it, likely been around since the advent of formalized marriage,but in actuality since the 16th century, when Protestants
brought it in) is 50%,this has been seen in America,and now Germany being at 43%, in actual figures.Let use consider now, that the Marriage rate,in any particular given year,is for the USA 9.8/1000,the UK 6.8/1000,and a general average world wide 6.5/1000.The Divorce rate,in any particular given year,is for the USA 4.9/1000,the UK 3.08/1000,and a general average world wide 1.3/1000.

These figures are much more interesting than the percentage of population figures usually presented,for one must take in to account the actual divorces per year, versus the actual marriages per year, to arrive at the proper figure.So,the American divorce rate is actually then 50%,the UK also 50%(on the brighter side Australia is at 33%).The stated average length of marriage in the USA, before divorce, is given at being 8 years.The probability of a first marriage ending in separation or divorce within 5 years is 20 percent, but the probability of a
premarital cohabitation breaking up within 5 years is 49 percent. After 10 years, the probability of a first marriage ending is 33 percent,compared with 62 percent for cohabitations.Divorce is very much a heavy reality.

So to arrive at these divorce figures, we go with the rate of marriages, per 1000 people, and the rate of divorce at 1000 people….and this is provably,for America, a figure of 50%.Obviously there is a great problem here, at 50%. Also there are
a collossal rate of divorces after a second marriage, in short there the figures show that there is an actual 10% success rate of divorces who remarry. With divorce, property and the fiscal side of things are divided up, in some countries per a
legally binding ipso facto marriage contract, a pre nuptual agreement,pre nup as it were, but in others it is a direct 50% regardless, and also may contain such items(in all cases), as child support.

Marriage is a man made social construction anyway, so no real reason for anyone to be shocked by changing the rules.As a matter of fact,biblical marriages abounded with multiple partners,females,polygamy no less, massive polygamy, but allowed within the bounds and conventions of man, of man the thing that was marriage then with man made rules and regulations of it, the institution of,principle of,marriage.

I was perusing the book, Old Twentieth by Joey Haldeman, and one of the more interesting ideas were the formation of 10-year “marriage” contracts between immortal humans. Basically, people who lived forever needed to find a way out of “’till death do us part”.It seemed they realized there was a problem.Recall even Zeus and Hera divorced.Again in Zardoz we see the problem with immortality, as a life sentence of anything, including punishment, is forever as it were, and leads to boredom in the least.However, we suffer from reality, and a shorter lifespan, but it seems we also cannot cope with the death do us part concept.

But what of a marriage contract,as it were, say You agree to marry someone, with a base contract of 4 years?After 7 years,(or 4, or 5, depending on the decided period of time), you can either choose to renew your marriage or part amicably, with whatever you brought into the partnership, and an equal division of anything generated during the partnership’s 7 year-term (business, residence, loans, etc.),any children so had in the relationship or out of it, being decided by amicable
pre nup agreement covering such items as child support,just as it is presently in any given divorce.

There are many advantages to a short agreed upon marriage term……… Here are the 6 best reasons why:

1. Either could always leave,at the end of the termed agreement, so you’ll always value each other in your agreement.

2. You won’t take the relationship for granted – much like life & death,you’ll have to constantly work at it,if you wish to keep, as in renew, the arrangement.

3. You’ll have incentive to work out problems if you each wish to keep it, as in renew it.

4. Divorce, this could be abolished in a say 4-5 year agreed term as it would take that time for a divorce to take,and all things would be covered by the legally binding agreement as set by legal sociologically accepted conventions,the legally
binding document be what ever it may be. hold(4-5 being advantageous compared with say the 7 year plan).

5. Forever is a long time… a REALLY long time, but if you’re committed to someone, why not recommit your vows to them after

4 years,after 5 years,after 7 years.After 20 years, you’ll have committed to them as many as 5 times,agreeably so.

6. There’s still a commitment. Whether it’s a day, a month, a year, or the rest of your life, you’re committed to someone, so setting a limit to it doesn’t cheapen it; it makes the commitment have definition and scope,and with renewals,as
much of a commitment either of you, or both, want.

So there we have it, a cure for the many messy divorces,messy lives, by the legal institution of marriage, marriage by contract, marriage by termed contract,by renewable termed contract,perhaps the better new wave of the future.

Secret Squirrel has seen a glimmer of hope for Mankind, presently ,the glint of hope, that Man may once again enjoy the luxury of polygamy, a harem as it were,multiple wives,marriages, and let me tell you Squirrel is pleased,Squirrel is happy, Squirrel’s hopes have been encouraged,enlightened,they soar to the sound of Darth Vader’s breather
screen………Hope…Hope…Hope…Hope…Hope…Hope…

It all starts,basically,in the Book of Genesis………… In the beginning……..
Genesis 2:18 (New International Version):The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” and so…….Eve, but doesn’t mention wife, mentions helper, and also, that man was to rule over woman,recall there is or was no sex until the apple was bitten and eaten of………just a helper,not a companion, but helper, then there was………..fornication…and as Eve’s punishment she would bear,and did, children, sons and daughters of Eve and Adam due to…well,fornication, and they had sons and daughters..and they fornicated……..in incestuous relationships and on to the present day where it continues, amongst all of us sons and daughters of Adam,and Eve for that matter,zounds and zooks incest abounds all round and about and we cannot avoid it.And so they’ve made rules that we
shouldn’t do it,but we all know what to do and where they can stuck their laws…..it’s in the Bible!And there it all started…….a right grand,great and good time,but times changed, slowly, and with them perceptions of right and wrong, wrong can become right, right can become wrong, depending on ones perspective and whom that particular one is.In the beginning, there was polygamy, multiple wives, harems as it were, and additionally, including more concubines…and then things went wrong from there……….but there is a glimmer of hope……

Well now….have a look at this…..

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/3782/canadian_courts_consider_decriminalization_of_polygamy/

Canadian Courts Consider Decriminalization of Polygamy
by Joanna Brooks

In a case that may have wide-reaching influence, the Supreme Court of British Columbia today opened deliberations in a constitutional reference case to determine whether a small group of fundamentalist Mormons living in a remote B.C. community called Bountiful may practice religiously-motivated plural marriage without fear of prosecution or conviction.Polygamy-practicing Mormons began fleeing to Mexico and Canada in the 1880s, after US Supreme Court Justices upheld the conviction of George Reynolds on polygamy charges in 1879, declaring polygamy an “odious” “Asiatic” practice not protected by First Amendment freedom of religion guarantees. Mormons founded and continue to make up a significant
proportion of Canadian towns such as Cardston, in Alberta.

The case is sure to be watched closely among tens of thousands of FLDS and non-FLDS polygamists in the Book-of-Mormon belt and beyond, and may also have implications for Muslims and other polygamy-practicing people of faith,having multiple wives
is not morally forbidden among Muslims.

Well now, let us look at what the Bible has to say about polygamy…. and we see, zounds and zooks, the very air abounds with polygamy…(and concubines too lest we forget)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Genesis 29 Jacob, marries Leah,and then her sister also, Rachel,and Bilhah,and Zilpah.

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

1 Kings 15:5 – King David married at least seven wives, but it says David did what was right in the sight of the Lord. If  polygamy was a sin, David would not be right in God’s eyes.

2 Samuel 12:7-8 – David was given his dead master’s wives. Also God said he could have given him more than what he had. However, David chose to kill a man to steal his wife and that was where his sin was. God indirectly promotes polygamy in this passage.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – Mentions that adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God, yet in Hebrews 11, we see many polygamists listed who inherited the Kingdom of God. Therefore polygamy is not adultery.

Job 27:15 – Job mentions a man who’s “wives shall not weep”.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon’s son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives.

Genesis 16:1-4
Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai … gave her to her husband Abram to be his
wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived.

Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had….

Genesis 26:34
Esau … took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.

Genesis 31:17
Then Jacob rose up, and set … his wives upon camels.

Exodus 21:10
If he take him another wife….

Deuteronomy 21:15
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated….

Judges 8:30
And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.

1 Samuel 1:1-2
Elkanah … had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.

2 Samuel 12:7-8
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel … I gave thee … thy master’s wives….

1 Kings 11:2-3
Solomon … had seven hundred wives … and three hundred concubines.

1 Chronicles 4:5
And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.

2 Chronicles 11:21
Rehoboam … took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.

2 Chronicles 13:21
But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives….

2 Chronicles 24:3
Jehoiada took for him two wives….

Of course, there are yet many other references to wives,multiple concubines, multiple wives and concubines,all throughout. There is not a single verse from the New Testament that prohibits polygamy.The Bible has wall to wall concubines,even the man’s wealth is the measure of them.Many societies have  had and still have, polygamy, as seen in the Bible,zounds and zooks the very air abounded with polygamy,Africans practice polygamy,Arabs, even yet Muslims practice polygamy……….only the conventions of man have made laws against polygamy.and so too the conventions of man can allow polygamy. Here in the case of British Columbia, the law may change in favor of Mormons to allow them polygamy, but then, should it not do so for Muslims as well, and then for that matter, not to allow EVERYBODY polygamy.Less would be discriminatory.Is it in the nature of man
to be monogamist but for the laws?Jesse James, wouldn’t think so, nor Tiger Woods, nor a great several of Senators, nor any others of the great numbers whose marriages ended in divorce due to…extracurricular bedroom exercises,night games.In 2007,
extramarital affairs were blamed for 29 percent of breakups; in 2006, this figure was 32 percent. Male infidelity accounted for over 75 percent of marriage breakdowns, while women were unfaithful 22 percent of the time.

I personally don’t care about how many wives the Prophets of the Bible had, and what was the limit of the many wives back then,nor the additional concubines.  My point still stands, and that is Polygamy exists in both the OT and the NT in the Bible,it was there,it was right.It was Man who changed the laws,Man who changed the conventions, and it is Man who can
change it all back again.But do you really think that politicians, and/or judges,are going to do us that much of a favour? Sadly, I think not.